04: The Why of External and Internal Strength and The Pillars of Self Care
About Lakiah
I’m Lakiah, your favorite self-care hype girl with 8+ years of experience as a psychotherapist. Ready to ditch the burnout or conquer the elusive art of having a positive mindset and happier life? Selfcare Blogic is your sanctuary for real-talk tips, proven self-care strategies, and empowering vibes—with a sprinkle of humor. Let’s navigate this wild journey to self-discovery together, because who says self-care can’t be sassy and stress-free? Let’s unleash your mentally and emotionally happier self!
Website: https://selfcareblogic.com/
Laurel (00:03.086)
Hi and welcome back to the Why We Are podcast. We have a guest that I'm very excited about today. have Lakiah on. She is a licensed professional counselor and certified love coach. One of my favorite things about listening to her content is she does not shy away from topics that make people uncomfortable. Money, sex, toxic positivity. She just calls it out and says it like it is. I...
Encourage you to check out her content but you're in for a treat today where you get to listen to her talk about her story and part of what has made her who she is but ultimately Brought her to a place where she wants to share and help you connect with what makes you amazing Which as I think you know is something I love and believe in she is part of the I can cohort And you can find her on Instagram. I'll make sure she gives you her handles and where to find her later, but look I'll welcome to the show
Thank you, Laura. I'm really excited to be here. I'm so glad you reached out.
Well, we are excited to have you and look forward to hearing about what you want to share.
The feeling is mutual. Trust me, you guys, when you get on her TikTok or Instagram, you're going to love what you hear.
Lakiah (01:18.478)
Thank
Right. So just like any other episode, we're going to start off and dive right in and Laurel is going to ask you our first question.
So, Lakiah, we start off with everyone just asking you to tap into an experience in your life that stressed you to a point where you were forced or had to adapt to survive or make it, know, whatever word feels right to you, but something that kind of shook your system to the point where you had to do it.
Yeah, there's a lot that happens. I think anyone can relate to that. when they, I don't know, get asked that question, like where was a point where you just had to do something? I was thinking instantly, honestly, my college years. So that was a really big shift for me. And I wish I could pinpoint, I guess I can pinpoint one thing, but
Overall, like my whole college career was a big stressor for me because I'm a first generation college attendee graduate thing. so no one, absolutely no one in my lineage that I know of has been, you know, went to college before me. So there was no guidance there. And it's not because they didn't want to, like my family helped me as much as they could, but they just could not. So I guess like,
Lakiah (02:48.972)
I can even think of like my freshman year when there was a bunch of stuff that wasn't finished. And I remember me and my mom running around campus trying to find the registrar office and then go into the financial aid office. Like it was a lot. And then as the years going on, you know, going to college, especially a big college like WVU with no transportation, trying to navigate that whole thing was a lot.
but on top of all my schoolwork and then having to work as well, like not being able to just be a student, having to support myself as well as being a student, that whole thing was a lot. So I guess that whole thing had to make me tap into my resourcefulness, I guess. I didn't know the word for it back then, but just like, how am I gonna do this? My family can't pay for this. I can't.
deal with this myself, you know, like can't, there's no one to help me. can ask as much as I could, but I didn't even know where to go to ask for certain things, you know? So a lot of it, a lot of that stress during that time was financial, but a lot of it was also just not knowing what the next step was or if it was going to be the right step. So that could be a whole thing. even, that was a big thing for me too.
going from switching from my bachelor's and going into the master's program because I was like, I don't even know what I want to do with this bachelor's degree. So yeah, there can be a lot.
Well, and I'm glad you're bringing something up, you know, like this, because a lot of people think of college as this exciting transition, you know, gets kind of put out there as this good thing, right? Which then it's like, we forget that any big transition, any stressor, even if it's positive, has a lot of impact on our nervous systems. And you know, you're speaking about
Laurel (04:50.316)
you know, what is arguably at least three, but usually four or five years of someone's life. And it's just not that straightforward. And it's, I mean, it is a complicated financial system. is a, it, the, you know, registering for classes, even, know, now I think I went to college many years ago and I was trying to help a student navigate the online registration system. I'm like, right. Like I'm, I'm
Show me, how do you find your classes? Right? I was not as helpful as I thought I would be. So I love that you're bringing up a stressor that is one, a time period, but two, that a lot of people just assume should be fun and easy and a happy time. And for so many people, it's that or it's that and a lot of other more icky things or just the transition is brutal.
overall and it's not what you expect. So thanks for being honest and bringing up a topic that I think a lot of people have a lot of shoulds in terms of how they should feel about it.
Yeah, yeah, that a lot of shoulds was on me, especially as a, you know, that young, like 18, 19, 20, like there's a lot of expectations, especially when you're like first generation this, first generation that, there's a lot of things that people think like, you got it. And, you know, because you're living in that expectation, like that, you know, that unsaid, you know, it's like a silent one, but you're living in that. So you kind of feel the pressure of, I felt the pressure anyway.
of being the one that just figured it out. It's like, just figure out what you need to do. So it'll come to you. And if it don't, I don't, that's how I think now, if it doesn't. But like back then I had panic attacks. I had several panic attacks during my college years from different things, like you said, because even if it is just one thing that, you know, like is, I guess a big stressor, there's other parts of our lives that
Lakiah (07:02.158)
We have to deal with like relationships, you know, like do a lot of stuff like that. So yeah, it's a lot.
Well, and I kind of view it as that really is a huge transition to a completely different chapter in your life. And you're kind of in a pressure cooker of just shit coming at you left and right. And in the midst of all of that, you're supposed to explore and figure out who you are on your own. Yeah. As if dealing with everything else wasn't enough in the pressure cooker. And I would be curious in the in the present, Lakiah.
When you're reminded of that experience and that time period, is there anything that stands out to you?
of being in a pressure cooker.
Lakiah (07:48.686)
You good metaphors. I listened to one of the episodes. You have good metaphors.
feel like when I was in college, I was like in my rice cooker. Sometimes I see it go off in the kitchen and I'm like, huh, been there.
Yeah. If I can see one time.
Lakiah (08:07.83)
Now there's two times that is coming up for me. But one, the first one that I remember, I actually had an issue like with my, it was financial as well, but also, yeah, I'll just pick this one. was, so when I was in college, I had, of course, like, you know, some student aid or whatever, but then there was other things that, you know, you know, a lot of people think, well, you have this, this waiver or whatever. like,
you know, a lot of people don't understand there's a lot more cost to being in college than just paying for the school stuff. So I, anytime I did get a refund or whatever, like I wasn't, I never went on spring break. never, I couldn't do that. So I would pay for my rent like a semester in advance with whatever my refund was. But during the summer, wasn't in school, so you don't get a refund. So every summer there was like this impending,
It's impending like, how am I going to pay for this? And as just a student worker, like, yeah, you make your little, what, $9, $10 an hour. That was a lot for me back then. But, you know, like, that's not enough to pay for rent and everything else. But I went through this moment where there was an issue with the people that where I was living at. And they were OK with the situation because they knew what my financial situation was and how I paid for my rent.
A new person came in, made trouble for me. It's like, well, you have to pay the rent at this time. I always pay it with my refund. And there was a whole issue. I had to go to court and everything. I ended up leaving that place. But it was like a really crunch time where I had to find another place to live. And that was the summer between my bachelor's and master's degree. So you're also preparing for a whole other thing.
But it's like, okay, I'm homeless. I gotta figure out, you know, like, you know, how I can get myself housed. Still didn't have a car either at that time. But I wouldn't say that's like, that was one of the biggest, I guess, pressure cooker times in my life because it was just a bunch of uncertainty. Yeah, I'm curious.
Sydney (10:20.488)
Because I know that is a lot as just with where you're at in life and that big transition to grad school. What is it that you were tapping into and drawing wisdom from? Because I know you got through it and got your masters.
Of course. If I had to figure out what, if I had to say like the thing that got me through it, it was, I would say it was support, honestly. So it was external support. But also just this, I guess you can say not, again, I didn't know the word for it, but I guess you can say it's a form of resilience, but it was just in my mind back then, it was just a
you got to do it, there's nothing else. Like you have to keep going. So I guess internally, I guess it would be like my sense of resilience, but externally it was support. Cause I did have my mom and my sister that, you know, they, and they live in a completely different state than I was going to school. So, you know, schools in West Virginia, they're in New Jersey. They came to help me. So I would say those are the two things, just that sense of you have to persevere, you have to keep going, even though we don't know.
What's going happen? have no idea. Yeah, I would say those 2 things.
Yeah, I mean, I often think, you know, I don't really know what I was doing then. But if you look back now, you can see these personality traits or any things about you. Right. And you're like, oh, wow, the pressure made this emerge. And I hear some of that in you because I think people can relate to that. It's well, I had to write like. But I love your.
Laurel (12:11.01)
the way that you see that there's external things and internal things and that you wouldn't be who you are and you wouldn't have gotten out of that situation without both. And I love that.
Yeah, I like to try and remember different things because it can get easy to just say, well, no one helped me. I didn't have anything. Like there was nothing, you know, I did it all on my own, but it's like, okay, well, I, there was, there was things, you know, and people and that, that did help just, you know, even if, even if it's in the smallest way, because, and even right now I like to do that. Even, you know, when, if I'm in a session with someone, like I encourage them to think about that because
we even if you're like an introvert like I am, like we still like social creatures, we still need that support. Like we still need each other. So, you know.
That's also the fun part of how the brain is wired is in these moments where we're in the pressure cooker, your limbic system kind of makes those decisions for you and you just keep going. And I hear like you just kept fighting and it was this innate drive and that's that internal. But as mammals, we also exist like in the external and our mammalian brains are hardwired for attachment of yes, like I'm going to do this. My brain is going to get me through it. But also I need someone there to help me.
or hold my hand.
Lakiah (13:38.318)
Yeah, there can be some people if you look for them, you know, sometimes. And that depends on the situation, but sometimes, like, you just have to intentionally look for it because when you're going through so much, it can seem like you're going through it alone. But sometimes people don't know that you're going through it. yeah, search for that connection sometimes.
So speaking of connection and sort of internal, external, we like to ask about favorite ways that people like to kind of get out of their heads. Meaning when you start cycling or like what ifs or worrying, know, what are the things and you fair game your whole life is fair game, but that you notice that have helped you either reconnect or ground or.
Just get out of some of those more destructive spirals that exist only in our heads. What helps you do that?
Um, I, if I get in my head, I do something to get in my body. Um, so for me that could, the easiest thing can be, um, breathing, like doing deep breathing, or it can be like twerking, like around, just dancing. Like just dancing in my room to my favorite, like usually it's Beyonce or it'll be like, you know, like.
the early 2000s songs that we used to dance to, like the songs that you could feel nostalgic about, but it has like an upbeat to it and I just sit and I'm, know, I vibe to it. So that literally that's it. Like I don't really have anything. I mean, of course, you know, there's other tools that I could use, but those are my go-to breathing and dancing, listening to good music.
Laurel (15:28.332)
love those and you've queued the early 2000s. anything that you did in childhood kind of along the same line that you could kind of get lost in or that kind of helped make you who you are in terms of play, but maybe even at the time you didn't understand it to be play. you know.
That's a good question.
I don't know. mean, I was in dance when I was younger. So I guess that's why right now it's easier for me to go back to that. I guess the muscle memory of it, it was mostly like in dance classes and being in dance school and stuff like that. But I did do that, but I was a reader mostly. And I still do. I've gotten back into reading anything that's outside of like,
you know, like business stuff or therapy stuff or just I enjoy fiction, you know, like we're getting lost in a good story. Reading rom coms like just anything that'll get my brain away from just to give me a break, you know, not to like avoid things, but just to give me a break, you know.
Yeah, well, I love that. I love that you talk about. Just developing those pathways, right, the neural pathways of dance, because I don't think people think of neural pathways mostly as what we know, but you're right. I mean, what we practice, what we spend time on creates these templates for our brain to find connection, joy, release, right? And so I love that you brought.
Lakiah (16:45.358)
Okay.
Laurel (17:12.874)
up a physical one that connects directly to one of your favorite self care. I'll put a like overused term to it. But then also another one, know, that getting lost in a book and particularly, you know, fiction, think a lot of us in professions like, we need to spend our time learning, right? We need to like read the next business book, the next like neuroscience book. But there's great value.
in the exercise of kind of fantasy of detaching from there is a right answer. There is a clear thing you're supposed to learn and allowing our brains to just explore story and creativeness. you know, yes, are no like dragons are not real. They're like, no, in my head, I have a pet dragon and she is amazing. so it's nice to hear, you know, about
people's resources and how they spread out across, you know, different parts of the brain. So you're like into your creative part, you're into the physical part. And then also you love sharing evidence-based knowledge or practical solutions. So I am curious, how did you find your motivation to speak so directly? I mean, I hope this phrasing feels
Okay, and feel free to edit. like to call out some of the parts of our field that are, you know, maybe sound good on the surface, but really, you know, are not true for everybody. How did you find your way into that space?
I don't know. So when I got into posting on social media, think it wasn't specifically for my brand right now, Self Care Oblogic, or talking about mental health. when I first started doing stuff online, like posting videos, I think it was around 2019. And the one thing that I would get,
Lakiah (19:25.326)
I guess advice on was to be yourself, say that stuff that's on your mind, because that's people connect to, like, until when you're not being authentic, when you're in your true self. And that another, that was actually a that I got in my process program. like, don't try and be like these other therapists. Don't try to even the ones that are.
Laurel (19:52.108)
Is she frozen for you? Yeah.
Lakiah (20:00.216)
Makaya!
Lakiah (20:03.918)
I'm here.
goodness. heard you all the whole time. Is she frozen? It's like, my goodness. am I frozen?
I think we're good.
You sure?
Yes, we lost you at like the advice I got was be yourself.
Lakiah (20:25.43)
Okay, so if something goes on, because I have a message saying my connection is unstable for some reason, it went away. But if I do, just let me know. Yeah, so being myself was something that I learned from, you know, when I started doing videos and in my master's program. So when it came to talking about the mental health field, I noticed that there is a lot of people that are
I don't know, when you look for mental health stuff or self-care things, it is a lot of validating, right? Which is, think needed. Like, I think it's important. There's also a lot of...
excusing things. know, like there's, there's can be like, there can be a lot of excuses that can be given for why, you know, you don't take care of yourself or why someone can't do something. And for me, you know, like since working in the field, like I've seen people do amazing things, especially in therapy, you know, like once they, it happens once they decide that, okay, this is going to be hard, but I want to work through it. I have somebody here that's going to help me give me the tools.
I'm willing to work on it outside of therapy and I've seen them make changes. Now, it's not always like this big transformation thing all at once, but they're still capable of it, no matter what they've been through. So I think that to say, okay, I see you did this video on breath work or whatever it is and how that's helpful. well, somebody who's went through trauma, they can't do that because X, Y, Z. It's like, well, who said they couldn't?
Why? Like, why do you assume that that person isn't, you know, able to do something for themselves? Like, even if it's not breath work, but I hear that assumption that they can't get out of. So sometimes I think that people, because when you talk about mental health, people like toe around it, like walk on eggshells because you don't want to, you know, validate someone's like, okay, I get that. But there's a difference between invalidating and keeping them in like a learned helplessness. And I don't like that.
Lakiah (22:41.998)
I'd say that with that, it like, that's who I truly am, that's how I truly feel, that's true value of mine, that anyone can do something to, you know, make some part of their life better despite what they've through, plus the, I've gotten enough, just be yourself, just say the thing that people don't wanna hear. That's how I got into it, guess.
Well, and even hearing you recall kind of that timeline, it sounds like that's something your brain is really good at and is fostering challenging systems. If this system doesn't make sense, it's okay to challenge it, whether it's a landlord in college. Another like pressure, pressure kind of filled time in your life when you graduate grad school and you're like, where the hell am I going to go? And what fits for me? We navigate it and like,
Mm.
Sydney (23:32.918)
I love hearing like your brain just give yourself permission of like, if this isn't working, I'm going to show up and just be me and make it work.
Yeah, think that's, you know, if we don't do that, we kind of put ourselves into a box based off of like, what society says is, I guess, normal or acceptable. And it's just that, you know, that, of course, that'll have some, you know, mental and emotional effects on you, if you're trying to put yourself into something that's not.
I want my box to have 90s music, R &B music going all the time.
For real!
Well, and you're, you're bringing up a point I've been thinking about a lot lately, which is I think we need to say more often, you are going to be uncomfortable. Part of being human, part of existing in a world that is complicated and having children around you and elderly parents is that things are going to be uncomfortable.
Laurel (24:38.95)
The way to health and wellness is for increased tolerance for discomfort, right? And then knowing when you need to take a break. It's not that any of the things I think people are saying are inherently bad. There are some, but mostly what I hear, it's like, yes, that's a piece, but it is not true all the time, right? And so...
One of the things I love about what you're saying is like, if what you're hearing doesn't fit you, don't assume there's something wrong with you. That just isn't the right advice for you.
Great.
Yeah, and I think we got confused with like positive parenting or, you know, I was watching a viral Dr. Becky video that was like about learning and she was like, there's the not knowing and the knowing and the space in between is frustration. And I was thinking, no, not for everyone. I said, I think frustration occurs when there's a lack of resources, right? Like.
or understanding or clarity.
Laurel (25:44.53)
Right. Like actually not knowing for me was like always an amazing opportunity to learn something and like get to the knowing. Right. And like, but I got frustrated when like I felt like it was impossible to move through the space of not knowing. And that's just my personal experience. But I think, you know, it's like this video went viral and I just saw people being like, yes, yes, yes. I'm like, for some.
Right? For some people that's the experience, but for others it's not. And I also think when we get into psychology, often like that is the personal view of that experience. But there's the systemic truths about the experience, which is that some people not knowing something was on purpose. like we were purposely making groups of people not know something or we neglected the fact that
Well, some people don't understand what this experience is like, because no one in their family has ever done it to your, right? Like, how do you know how to support a kid in college? Right? How do you know how to have a healthy love relationship when your parents were pretty much like logically abusive to each other? And but we don't often talk about that.
Or it's really hard to talk about that in a 30 minute clip on social media. So I think I'll step down off of my soapbox, so to speak, but just I really appreciate the way that in a TikTok, like you can create space for people to just have their own viewpoint and experience with information. So thank you for providing that.
I am like just because, so I said she's a certified love coach and the institution is like Loveology Institute. It's so great.
Lakiah (27:50.442)
Slovology University.
I really just because this is an area that I think is so important. I'm curious if you feel like what you would want to share or how having more training and love, sex and relationships has influenced your work in self care for others.
For others, honestly, the one that I can, because I don't necessarily work with couples. So it's for anyone, whether you're in a couple or not. And because I've been interested in the field of human sexuality for a long time, I think since I was like a freshman in college, actually, I was in it for such a long time.
But like when it comes to self care, think the most thing that I, the way that it connects the most that where I've been working with is with people and their, it goes into physical self care, honestly. A lot of people think self care is just like bubble baths and facials and things like that. And that's just like a, that's the smallest, that's like the smallest portion of what it actually is. So I tell people that there is, you know, there's,
pillars to self care. So yes, there's the physical, there's mental, emotional, there's social, there's financial self care, there's professional like career, there's spiritual self care. But in physical, that can go from anything from yeah, the way you eat, to moving your body, to having orgasms, yeah, and also the pampering stuff, like getting massaged.
Lakiah (29:34.846)
and things like that. Like it's varied, you so it's a really broad spectrum of what that looks like. So when it comes to, you know, love coaching and things like that, the most thing is tapping into your body and making sure that your body is good. So of course our sexual health goes into that no matter where you are, you know, on the spectrum, you're like it, you know, we all have a body that is, you know, especially if you're, and it doesn't matter if you're
differently abled or not, there's still benefits to tapping into that side of yourself, taking care of yourself. And I think the most thing that I teach on is how, and again, I mostly work with adults, I talk about this and teach them on this, yeah, having things like tapping into your sexual side or being able to set boundaries around that and being able to
use orgasms to your benefit because orgasms have a lot of mental health and physical health benefits. So I think that's how it's connected the most from what I do with self care.
like want people to just, you know, if that was new information, you know, pause, rewind and listen to it again, because this doesn't get talked about. And it's so true. When we talk about whole brain processes, like the part of your brain that controls reproductive and sexual arousal is very primitive. It exists very low in our brain stems. And it's I've always been curious around, you know,
I think it's one of the reasons why when we receive messages of shame around sexual desire, expression, it feels so jarring because it's coming from a part of the brain that really very few people like talk like, you don't like, why are you drinking water? Kyle, why are you breathing? But it's like in the same part of your brain and that part of the brain is like, why are you talking to me? Like we're like a part of the brain that's supposed to just not.
Laurel (31:40.524)
like exist, be like, it's essential, like, right? And locked away. And so when we get messages that don't meet up and it really takes a lot of, I think like there's talking and gentle, like making space for this because we have to bring it up and kind of like, yeah, this is very natural, normal. I love how you said too, like there's a range, right? There's not one way to be a sexual being that would make no sense.
and so, yeah, I just, you know, align with the name of our company, whole brain. That's what we mean when we say whole brain, it's honoring all parts of yourself and that, that, you know, our sexual desire, our, how much water we need to drink, how we breathe is just as important to holistic wellness as the complex thoughts that I have about, you know, what I want to.
to you about on the podcast this morning, right? Like they're all really important pieces of the system. So thank you for letting me sort of pull that out directly. cause I just think it's so important and it's something that we, we don't talk about enough in my opinion. So.
Yeah, I see that too. especially, I think you're all with your whole brain solution. Like, I love that because it, I'm someone who likes, I'm not like an either or type of person. I'm like, give me the whole thing. If there's like, if there's something over here that can help me, something over here that can help me, whether it's within my mental state or, you know, something externally, like give it all to me so I can see, like, I don't want to have to be stuck in just this or that.
when we bring it back, kind of full circle of when we asked you something that stressed you to a point like where you had to adapt, you went right to college. And to me, college is a time of exploration, of figuring out who you are sexually and your preferences. And the other thing I heard you say too is movement. And I've been on WVU's campus. Y'all are walking up and down, left and right, moving all the time. So it's this, I always tell Laurel like,
Sydney (33:56.49)
One of my favorite words is just this innate wisdom of just your nervous system knowing what you need. And so we go back to like that time in your life where yes, shit may have been hitting the fan. And I'm sure you were kind of tapping into all of those things you really needed during that time anyway, even without being cognitively aware of it.
Right, right. I think I was it didn't seem like it but you know hindsight is always 20 20 so you can always you know see those those things you know afterwards after the fact. They yeah like it feeling and you mentioned like the pressure cooker like but being able to do something to release that pressure even if it's just a little bit is so so important. So so important I think.
Laurel (34:45.245)
So, Lakiah, I feel like I could keep asking you questions because all of your areas of interest are ones that I love hearing about. But I'd love for you to share a little bit with our audience of where they can find you if they want to learn more or work with you. So yeah, how do people find you and stay in touch?
Yeah, so social media is the biggest way, I the easiest way people can find me. So I am on Instagram and TikTok, the same handle, it's SelfCareBlogic. So it's a play on name. So it's logic with blog. So I just said SelfCareBlogic. So I do have a blog that I update weekly and it's just selfcareblogic.com. But also if...
I do the self-care coaching with the ICANN cohort. So it's just a platform with different coaches that talk about many different things, but I do self-care where I talk about building up your emotional resilience. I've taught workshops on therapy, like how to know when you need to start therapy, stop it, or maybe even switch therapists, because that's important to talk about different things on there. So I do self-care coaching on there.
But yeah, so you can find me basically on there. And then I have like a whole, the whole link in bio thing. There's all that information there. I have a free guide called the Stress Less Checklist that gives like a whole, basically it shows you like, what are your stress symptoms? What are stress symptoms? How can stress show up? And there's some things that you can do to try and mitigate it, the tiny little habits that can help you with that. So I give that free guide to people, the Stress Less Checklist and that's available like,
On any of my platforms that you can find me on.
Laurel (36:34.286)
We will link that in the information for the podcast and to summarize and bring all this together, Lakiah we like to ask people to sort of zoom out and reflect on all of the wisdom, the stress, the things that you shared. And I'm curious what stands out or rises to the top that you feel like
you would want your college-age self to know, or if you could give her just a piece of wisdom that you feel like you have now based on all these experiences, what would you want her to know?
Lakiah (37:19.63)
I don't even know if this goes into what we've been talking about, but the thing that pops up is you're worth it and it's okay. Like literally that would be it because there would be so much that's on her mind that I know. So I have to say you're worth it. It's okay. You're worthy. I would tell her that.
that. I think that absolutely has to do with what we're talking about. Listening to speak, I think that is the place that you show up for yourself and other people when it comes to healing, right?
Yeah.
at a lot of different platforms and in different roles.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I can see that now.
Sydney (38:03.722)
Well, Lakiah thank you so much for joining us this morning. It has been such a treat having you here, and I can't wait for our listeners to be able to hear a little bit more about your story.
Thank you, ladies. I'm so glad that we got to have this talk today. This was fun. You all asked some really good questions. Your listeners, it makes your listeners think.
Well, everybody, Lakiah Bankston was our guest today. Thanks again and stay tuned for our next episode. See you
